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Shantibaba Interview
December 23, 2010
Following a series of interviews with some of the worlds leading cannabis breeders, it was about time Soft Secrets pulled their fingers out of the Rizla papers and arranged an interview with cannabis cultures most prolific breeder to date, Shantibaba. With a professional career spanning over two decades, as a writer and traveler, the founding geneticist of the worlds most famous seed bank, the overall winner of Cannabis’s highest and most prestigious accolades, and the man that now works with Howard Marks, borrowing 10mins from this elusive breeder’s busy schedule was never going to be easy. Eventually, we finally managed to catch up with Shantibaba to ask him some questions about his work with and love for cannabis plants.
Where does the name Shantibaba come from?
While I was in India in the early 80’s an Indian friend and I established a gem cutting business in Jaipur called Shantibaba Enterprises…and considering it means peaceful person it somehow stuck to me.
When did you first discover cannabis and why did you start cultivating marijuana for yourself?
I tried cannabis with a few mates around 13yr old, found myself and a mate of mine on all fours following a white line on a grassy strip that was not there…laughed like there was no tomorrow, immediately felt akin with this plant.
It was the mid seventies when I first grew from seed, motivated out of the insatiable appetite to consume this plant, and never being able to find a constant product on the black market. So it was easier to learn to do it myself and not rely on anyone’s b/s. I made a lot of mistakes but finally went into growing indoor with lamps in Australia around 1978…or there about, which changed my life forever.
What are your most memorable ‘highs’ and ‘lows’ during your 2G years traveling across Asia?
Big question! I expect the highs would be not loosing my freedom and carefree nature and my time in India on my Royal Enfield. Looking for seed was my mission and having my own means to go anywhere at anytime where no road was the wrong road…that was a big HIGH.
The low time was rare in Asia…a lot more of those moments when I went to the so called Developed world of Europe.
Where else have you traveled in pursuit of landrace cannabis genetics?
That is a long list…but pretty much 4 out of 5 continents to date…only Africa eludes me for now, but I feel when my daughter is a little older we will do that continent together.
Probably south east Asia was the place I did most thoroughly since the 1980s and still doing. Was just in Irian Jaya (the Indonesian part of Papua New Guinea) and that was the hardest place I trekked in my life…after 12 days deep into tribal area doing 8-10 hours walk each day…I was ready to become a tree!
Please tell us about your favorite varieties of cannabis to grow.
I do not have a favorite, as anything I grow becomes a part of me during its life cycle. I get as passionate about growing fruits or veggies too! I expect Mother Nature’s world does it for me big time.
How did you become a Cannabis Geneticist?
Accidentally, if you want the truth! That sort of work was never viewed, and in certain places in the world still is not viewed as a job. So it was hard as a boy to aspire to a job that was not even in existence to the visible world…I expect it is a bit like the work my children will be doing in 20 years; not imaginable from where we stand with our current knowledge.
But generally I was partial to plants and my favorite three things are grapes, olives and Cannabis. Since Cannabis grew relatively quickly compared to fruit trees or nuts, it seemed to be something I could have an effect on in my life span.
Not to mention I love to travel, adventure and research, so it was also a job I could incorporate in all parts of my life where ever I was…in some way. Over time it consumed me and defined me unto what I am today.
When did you first develop your own stock and own seed bank?
It is hard to pin point a time about seed since from the first time I smoked I began collecting seed…
I suspect my University years were the defining point of my serious approach along with traveling and seed collection. Mullumbimby Madness was a strain I worked on with several others in northern NSW in the early to mid 1980’s and with which I had a lot of success with early on. The first Seed Bank that I founded unofficially was in Australia…but officially the tax paying companies only exist and still do exist in Holland.
In 1992 you relocated your seed bank to Amsterdam. In hindsight, do you ever regret this move?
Holland, especially the early to mid 1990’s was a fantastic period for like minded people. It was a happening daily and I expect the enthusiasm and passion for having a coffee shop to go to at the end of a day’s work to pow wow and exchange ideas etc…well it got us all in the plan. It was also the time I began working with Neville (who was the founder of The Seed Bank which went on to become the Sensi Seed Bank.) Rob Clarke was around a lot, and a host of other scientific char*acters…so it was an excellent time and a lot of very constructive breeding went on.
Regret the move to Holland…No, I do not regret anything I have done in my life up till now, so the answer would be no! But like all things, there is a life span and by 1998 I had had enough, not to mention the blatant capitalism and standard greed related things that come with success and change people you once knew well! Such is life!
How many cannabis cups have you won to date?
Cannabis Cups are things I do not really keep a tally on, as they kind of lost their meaning for me now. But let’s say 1998 was a year both Neville and I tried very hard to do our best work and it was a very successful year. Up until then, and between us both, we had done seriously well with breeding things people enjoyed. In a lot of European countries our strains have been entered by the respective growers and continue to receive accolades. It is not a reason or motivation to work with this plant, I leave that to the others nowadays.
After leaving Amsterdam as the world’s most famous cannabis breeder, what did Shantibaba do next?
Well, I left Holland as I was head-hunted by a Swiss group based in Ticino, the Italian side of Switzerland. I sold my interest in the GHSco, set up Mr. Nice Seed Bank, took my mothers and father plants, as well all of Neville’s mother and father plants, and headed to the hills. I was invited to set up a new company with a Swiss partner and was made vice-president along side Doctor Nussbaumer who was made president, plus 2 lawyers and 1 criminologist. Our intentions were to begin essential oil production, seed production, medical tinctures to aid patients with pain management issues, and just about anything else that was possible. My new country’s cultivation possibilities made Holland look like a kindergarten for growers, in comparison.
How did you make the connection with Howard Marks?
Over a beer or two at one of the High Times Cannabis Cup when I was breeding the White family hybrids… So that was in 1996. It was one of the most easy and deeply touching friendships that evolved from day one! Howard Marks was unknown to me previously so I did not have all the expectations that can cloud one’s view when you meet. Mind you, he had perfect credentials from my point of view. I recall he asked me with that silky smoked voice he has, “any chance an old bastard like me could find a way to work with you in this business?”… or something to those words. My reply was something along the lines of, “I think you might be a little high profile for me” and so it evolved…
Did Mr. Nice Seeds naturally develop or did it take lots of work to get things off the ground?
Since Neville and I had joined forces and had all the mothers and fathers of practically all strains, it was harder to choose which strains we’d use rather than create a new range. So it occurred with ease and good humor rather than any other way. Sort of like putting a new pair of shoes on that fitted perfectly from the first step.
Are the seeds you currently produce at Mr. Nice Seeds today still based on the foundations of your original work?
Yes, but since we have been involved in owning and founding other existing seed companies we decided to change the names for all old existing strains except for `Super Silver Haze’. We did that since so many other seed companies copied our original names but used different plants to make those seeds with. In fact look at `White Widow’ and how many companies offer it, all claiming it to be the original…that is why we renamed it `Black Widow’ and to this day no one has copied it.
What is GU?
`Gene Bank Technology’ was the name of the mother company I founded in Switzerland after leaving Holland. It was responsible for all the peripheral companies and activities we established afterwards like the Hemp beer , cloning nursery, essential oil distillation for the cosmetic industry, medical tincture (used for pain management of MS and Chemotherapy patients), and of course seed production.
GBT was closed and all assets were seized after 4 years of functioning nor*mally in Ticino…due to self righteous Prosecutors with a mission to eradicate Hemp in early 2003. To this day, no laws have ever been changed to initiate `Operation Indoor’, and cannabis is legal to grow in Switzerland…as long as it is not done for the illegal drug market. But that is politics and paradox, too difficult to interpret if you are sitting on my side of the fence.
Please explain a little about what you call ‘The Marijuana Specialized Nursery’?
GBT took over an old silo with 11 floors in Bellinzona in 1999 and the top floor was made to house the entire mother and father plants in a huge `state of the art’ grow room. It contained 42 different original plants that, when combined to each other produced the same F1 seed or aroma or flower top time after time. So in that room we held a library of all the years work both Nevil and I had put into finding genetics to replicate. It was a specialized plant nursery dedicated to one plant type…. Cannabis.
Which visions does Shantibaba hold in garden for the future?
I do not really think about the future very much but I plan to go back to old seed stock of both Nevil’s and my own and pull a few old flavors out of the vaults. The thrill of making the strongest effecting Cannabis has gone for me , I prefer to concentrate on aromas and flavors in the future…since all my plants are proven to be strong enough already.
Grow some Olives and make some wine in between raising a few children gives me something to do during the night hours of my grow rooms and breeding projects…
leMarcel a écrit :boah à sa place, ça me foutrait les boules également....
Imagine le mec qui veut essayer la White Widow pour la première fois, et qui achète par exemple chez Greenhouse un produit qui n'a rien à voir avec la White Widow originale, mais qui en porte le nom....
cela dit, la Jh est quand meme ultra instable et fournit de tres belles choses pour faire de la sélection, parler d'une variété en soit pour la JH n'a selon moi aucun sens.c'est un monde de copycat . Prenons la celebre Jack Herrer :
- tu as ceux qui font dans a subtilité : Jock Horror , Jah Herrer etc . Souvent du F2 mais ce n'est pas précisé .
- ceux qui annoncent la couleur comme Sannie avec sa Jack F? .
- les rebaptêmes , la Jack devient une Machin Haze par l'opération du saint esprit .