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[p!borgne81]

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j'ai le dernier numéro de treatind yourself en magazine chez moi , un pote me la ramené du canna trade d'il y a un mois!
ce mag est vraiment bien foutu, quelqu'un aurait lu le smoke report qu'il font sur trois phénos DALLAT sativa à l'extreme avec des fleurs extremement moches et aérées mais les notessur chaque effet détaillé est hallucinant, j'ai cru comprendre que certains la travaillé pour aboutir à quelquechose d'"exclusivement" therapeutique!
mais impossible de trouver quoi que ce soit a son sujet sur le net!

[p!borgne81]

lol comme c'est bizarre...tu peux t'inscrire sur le forum te gène pas, tu verras un peu ce qui s'y fait et quelles sont les applications pratiques...Bon courage et bise à tous.

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j'ai le dernier numéro de treatind yourself en magazine chez moi , un pote me la ramené du canna trade d'il y a un mois!
ce mag est vraiment bien foutu, quelqu'un aurait lu le smoke report qu'il font sur trois phénos DALLAT sativa à l'extreme avec des fleurs extremement moches et aérées mais les notessur chaque effet détaillé est hallucinant, j'ai cru comprendre que certains la travaillé pour aboutir à quelquechose d'"exclusivement" therapeutique!
mais impossible de trouver quoi que ce soit a son sujet sur le net!

normal c'est DALAT

http://www.vibescollective.org/forum/in ... opic=481.0

bonne lecture

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je me suis inscrit et faut que je poste pour avoir accés au sujet!
tu veut pas copier/coller stp fly?

[flyinggggggg]

bonne lecture

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dr dalat si je comprends bien c'est oliver stone?

c'est chelou lui dit que la dalat , appparement son originale,est trés compacte pour une sativa alors que celle testée par treating yourself n'a pas du tout cette caractéristique et meme tout au contraire!
enfin T.Y. en test 3 ou 4 et les plus épaisse sont si j'ai bien compris les moins fortes et que les gars qui tentaient à la travaillé pour obtenir quelquechose de trés puissant et haut en teneur d' alcaloïdes arrivaient à des résultats satisfaisant sur ce dernier point mais que les structures des fleurs étaient désastreuses.
ptet pas bien capté moi et l'anglais

[p!borgne81]

Bonjour à tous, merci de vous être interessés à la question, petit détail il est demandé à tous les inscrits de bien vouloir faire un petit post de présentation personnelle.

Je n'ai jamais eu cette souche entre les mains, mais je peux vous dire que la Dalat est une variété qui a une notoriété certaine, elle serait vraiment très puissante, et ses effets durables, une très bonne sativa médicinale...Pour son aspect, densité des sommités florifères et autres caractéristiques, il faut savoir que ce sont nos amis growers qui en reproduisent les graines de génération en génération, il n'y a pas tellement de critère de sélection précis, donc plusieurs phénotypes continuent d'être présents dans les plantes issues des graines portant cette appellation, c'est du breeding très amateur mais ça permet de maintenir une diversité génétique porteuse d'avenir.

Les smoke-tests sur treatingyourself sont normalement précédés de grow-reports, et pour nous autres pauvres petits européens, il peut être surprenant de constater les wattages utilisés par nos amis américains et canadiens, en effet chez eux une ampoule HPS qui fait moins de 1000W c'est pas une ampoule, et quand il y en a plusieurs...

Bonne visite à tous, toutes mes amitiés.

[p!borgne81]

Bonjour soopochou, ton anglais ne doit pas être si mauvais, il me semble que tu as bien résumé, la densité et l'aspect des sommités florifères sont importantes en terme de rendement et de marketing...mais les phénotypes les plus puissants dans une variété ne sont pas forcément les plus productifs ni les plus joliment standardisés. Le travail de breeding serait de trouver le meilleur compromis entre ces différentes qualités, mais ça demande beaucoup de temps et de méthode.

Par contre, sans vouloir nullement t'offenser, je dirais que si tu penses que Dr Dalat c'est Olivier Stone, tu te fais un film lol,
je te souhaite donc un brillant avenir de réalisateur de cinéma, personnellement je ne m'y risquerai pas...Grosse Bise, sorry for the private joke, Hugz.

[AcmeSeeds]

interressant le combat de la p'tite blonde...

en tout cas ça me fait un bôôô t shirt.

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Par contre, sans vouloir nullement t'offenser, je dirais que si tu penses que Dr Dalat c'est Olivier Stone, tu te fais un film lol,
je te souhaite donc un brillant avenir de réalisateur de cinéma, personnellement je ne m'y risquerai pas...Grosse Bise, sorry for the private joke, Hugz.

regardes la troisieme page ,en fait y'a un mots de oliver stone sui dit un truc sur les souches vietnamienne qui l'aurait fumé pendant la guerre, et j'ai fait fusion trop rapidement j'ai cru que c'était la meme personne

[fabotanik]

Vu ce qu'il nous a sorti comme films tu m'étonnes qu'il doit être fonfon le oliver

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et quand il est fonfonce oliver twist

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dr dalat si je comprends bien c'est oliver stone?

nan, le gars qui a popularisé la Dalat sur le net
c'est Di Wee Dalat aka DWD


tiens un peu d'infos sur la Dalat de la part de DWD himself

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Dalat] SE Asian Sativa


Region ::: South East Asian Strain
Type ::: Pure Sativa
Origin ::: Dalat, Vietnam
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Descriptions

Di Wee Dalat Updated: 11Apr03
This is a pure land race from Dalat, Vietnam. It is grown at around 4500 ft. above MSL. Lattitude 12 degrees south.

It has been cultivated by the Montaignards for centuries, and has been know to reach heights of 20 plus feet outdoors. Most similar to a Highland Thai, in look taste and growing habits.


Di Wee Dalat Updated: 11Apr03

This was a first grow of seeds that came to me direct from the plantation in 2002. A very hardy species. It will take lots of punishment, but is very easy to hermie being a pure SE Asian strain.

Out of 100 seeds sprouted, there were 60 females (some of which went hermie after 10 weeks of flower), 39 immediate hermies, and only one true male.

They were flowered at about 40 days of vegetation. Height about 18-20 inches. Two phenotypes, one very bushy and christmas tree like, and the predominant pheno was 'one long bud' along the main stem.

They flowered for a total of 12 weeks under 11/13 before harvest was begun, and then they were harvested over a four week period between 12 and 16 weeks. They never really stopped throwing off new pistils and calyxes. They just kept getting thicker and thicker. Pretty heavy trichome development for a sativa.

The grow was done in soil with a Ph kept around 6.5-6.8 and fed with 15-30-15 nutrient. They really take up the water, so it's hard to drown 'em. The lights were MH enhanced with flourescent supplementation, at around 40-50 watts per square foot. I believe I was really under powered on the lights and that with more wattage this strain should really excell.

They were kept in very small one gallon pots throughout the whole grow which helped keep the height down, but no doubt restricted the potential. Even so they got to 5 feet in height!

Obviously a perfect outdoor strain if grown at the right latitude, but can be done indoors with lots of patience. The next grow will be a SOG/SCROG combo and I believe that with 80 plus watts per sq. ft. this strain will be outstanding!


Di Wee Dalat Updated: 11Apr03

Smoke Report - C.sativa ssp.dalatvietnam Friday April 4, 2003, 7.00 PM

Ok! Here is what, I am sure, a lot of folks have been waiting for. The official FDA approved smoke report on the strain I've been growing these past six months. A pure unadulterated land race sativa of known origin, from Dalat, Viet Nam, South East Asia.

Let me preface this report by saying two things. First, as you read this, keep in mind that I've been puffing on a nice 'fatty' of the DALAT all day today, and I'm still pretty tweaked! Second, I'd like to say, that to me, one of the more desirable qualities of a fine sativa is that it changes your perspective according to your reality. If your reality is one of nervousness, paranoia and fear, greed and commerce, then you might want to stay away from this strain...you might find it a little too unnerving. But if you come from a basically peaceful and happy frame of mind, and don't mind trippin', well then...

I really endeavored to read a lot of smoke reports online, so that I could 'get a feel', if you will, about how to write this report. Quite honestly most of the reports were either of the 'short one word sentence type' or were way too scientific to understand.

Using words like 'spacey', 'visual', 'trippy', 'ampy', 'clear up high', 'energetic', 'creative', 'breathtaking', 'paranoia inducing', 'head high', 'body high', 'couch-lock', 'up', 'down', etc., just left me trying to imagine how my definition of those individual words might differ from everyone else's (given the perspective of one's reality). Or worse yet, I drove myself crazy trying to string the words together in a coherent fashion. Sort of a, you say potato and I say potatoe, mishmash of a bunch of descriptive words, all with meaning yet no clear definition! The scientific version is even worse in my humble opinion. All science. No emotion. And as my grand pappy used to say, " You can't put facts in your pipe and smoke 'em, sonny boy!"

So here's what I decided to do. I made up my mind that I was going to write a report about what it was like to spend an entire day stoned on the DALAT. A trip back in time if you will...

The alarm went off as usual at 5 AM this morning. Got up and put the coffee on. Strong, fresh ground Columbian. Six cups. After a quick check of the garden to make sure the plants were doing all right, I turned on the news to catch the latest on the Iraqi excursion. Sat down at the kitchen table, picked out a nice lime green crystal covered bud, and proceeded to roll the first joint of this six-month adventure. As I broke the bud apart I made a mental note of how compact and sticky it was. It had an absolutely delicious smell... sort of like 'spearmint gum dipped in diesel fuel', whatever that smells like!

It was too sticky to crumble with my fingers so I got a pair of sharp scissors and started cutting it up into smaller more roll able pieces. I rolled a super wide (I only use natural hemp papers from HempTrivia.com) fatty, pulled out my vintage Zippo, and fired it up. I burned away the twisted end, and then took a big, full first hit. The taste was very smooth. The flavor was hash like, yet sweet and mellow at the same time. It expanded nicely in my lungs but was definitely not harsh. I held it for as long as I could and then exhaled. The smoke had a very sweet and potent aroma. I knew I could smoke this all day. My head immediately started buzzing within a couple of seconds. This was going to be a good day!

I placed the joint in the ashtray, while I poured my self a cup of coffee. A little cream, and a little sugar, and I opened up the newspaper and started to catch up on world events. The TV was a quiet distraction in the background. I fired up the joint a second time and took another champion hit. I was amazed by the fact that although the smoke really expanded in my lungs, it was so smooth that I didnt feel the need to cough. After holding it in for what seemed like forever, I exhaled, and felt the blood rush to my head. It was really kicking in now!

Three or four minutes later I found myself re-reading the same paragraph in the newspaper...something about a new virus from China...and wondering why the TV was blaring. Had it always been that loud? I started looking around the room, and noticed how everything just looked brighter and more colorful. My perspective had most definitely changed. I smiled, the first of many smiles today.

I could go on to describe the rest of the day in detail, but then this report would just turn into a small novel. I ate breakfast. I took a shower. I smoked some more, and I kept getting higher. I sat outside by the pool. The sky was very blue, and the sunshine was bright. Plants were greener, and the flowers were more colorful. The birds flew slower. The music sounded great, and I found myself wanting to dance.

It was hard to read, but only because of all the wonderful distractions the world offers when you pay attention. I noticed everything, and I kept thinking thoughts that made me smile so much that my jaw ached. Not unlike a very small dose of mushrooms. I was very happy to be alive. I was very happy I had decided to grow a sativa!

As the day progressed I kept smoking a hit or two at a time, and I kept on soaring. Every hit would take me a little bit higher, but this was not a 'narcotic type high'. No down time smoking this stuff! I felt energetic and creative, and yet relaxed, all at the same time. And I got a terrible case of the munchies around lunchtime!

In the afternoon a very close friend stopped by and we finished the joint together while sitting outside with a cold beer. We laughed our Asses off. He called later on the way home to say he was totally spaced out in traffic, but he felt very mellow and didn't care.

Did I have a great day? Absolutely! Is it the strongest pot you'll ever smoke...the 'Holy Grail'? I don't know. Did I get high? Hell yeah! Could I smoke only this strain the rest of my life? Most definitely! It's was just how I remembered it when I first started smoking' the kind sativa back in the old days. A real deja vu trip back in time!

Perhaps the best description I've read, was one about the strain VB at cannagenetics.com. I don't know the authors name, but I think it fits the DALAT to a tee. Whoever he was, he nailed it on the head when he wrote,

"Not for light weight smokers! This stuff is EXACTLY what I remember was around during the 70's. You can almost hear the whoomp-whoomp of the Nam choppers. A great outdoors "Summer Day smoke". Just don't smoke it before your landlord or Mom comes by... A 10 in my book!"

Well there you have it. For what it's worth..from a lightweight old guy from the '60's! And I'm definitely LOL!
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[p!borgne81]

Ah pardon soopochou, toutes mes excuses, c'est normal que tu aies pu confondre alors...à vrai dire je passe peu de temps à m'interesser à des variétés type Dalat, sativas psychédéliques et autres Jack, en raison de leur côté anxyogène et paranoïsant qu'explique très bien notre ami DWD, et je n'avais bien sûr pas vu le commentaire du brillant réalisateur du film :"The Doors"...Je ne suis d'ailleurs pas la seule à préférer pour cette même raison les indicas bien lourdes et bien grasses.

A chaque patient il incombe de trouver les variétés qui lui sont le plus agréables, et en toute chose le stress est nuisible.

Pour les personnes souffrant de douleurs chroniques d'ailleurs, il me semble avoir moi-même constaté que certaines variétés pouvaient amplifier la sensation de douleur, tandis que d'autres permettent d'y prêter moins d'attention.

Ainsi c'est la même règle qui s'appliquerait aux douleurs physiques et aux souffrances morales, mais ce n'est qu'une supposition bien sûr, je ne suis pas qualifiée en ce domaine.

Merci à tous pour ces renseignements précieux pris à la source, on se cultive comme on peut, grosses bises.